Yes, I’d love to work on some practical EUPS-for-LSST documentation this summer.
On the reference side, yes, we do need to list tags. Otherwise I think we send people to an EUPS server URL to find tags, which isn’t an ideal solution. We also need to list what top-level packages are available, and why someone might install one or another (see also RFC-305, which seeks to more clearly define their roles).
We also want some EUPS overview documentation (define basic terminology, like tags versus versions, and the philosophy of EUPS in general).
But I think the core of the EUPS-for-LSST documentation should be short how-to recipes for dealing with certain situations.
So I’d like us ot use this thread to write down what things we do with EUPS, and how we identify and work-around issues. I’ll use the results as research material to put together an EUPS how-to for piplines.lsst.io.
To kick things off, some basic tasks are:
Installing a package, eups distrib install ...
Setting up a package (and all variations on setting up specific tags, and the -j)
Creating tags, eups declare
Listing installed packages, eups list
Listing installed versions of a package, eups list -v packages
Listing set up packages, eups list -s
This is just a cursory beginning. If others from DM and Sims want to write down your common EUPS tasks, that’d be fantastic.
Note that we use eups declare for more than just creating tags … it’s also useful for being able to use a git cloned version of a package or for adding a non-standard package (sims_maf_contrib is the only one I’m aware of here, but maybe there are other DM related packages?).
The major problem with this will be separating the simple “I just want to get stuff done and not learn the wrinkles of eups” from all the possibilities.
For example - that becomes relevant with newinstall.sh + eups (but not lsstsw apparently) – using the manifest.remap file + eups declaring system packages!
Yes, I agree making a super clear distinction between “eups distrib” and “eups” is important. I don’t know if the docs have to be completely split, because it’s helpful for people to realize why/how they are related. Plus there are similarities that are useful … e.g.: eups list sims_maf eups distrib list sims_maf
… the first gives you the list of your versions of sims_maf locally available (that you’ve installed or declared), while the second gives you the versions of sims_maf that are available to be installed from the remote server. The second problem you run into with those is that you have to do some work to understand the tags and how they translate into/from versions locally vs. remotely.
I pretty much exclusively use eups for setting up a package and listing packages (frequently using -s, and occasionally -v). (Though if I knew how to create tags without having to edit .eups/startup.py, I’d use that feature too.) I don’t use eups distrib because I use lsstsw to manage my stack install, so I’d consider the latter “learn the wrinkles” territory.
You can use one tag for “free” without editing .eups/startup.py, namely your user name (-t kfindeisen). The magic line is e.g. hooks.config.Eups.userTags.append("tmp")
where the hooks namespace appears by magic. The reason for requiring you to declare tags is to minimise typos (I want -t kfindiesen to fail). You can also declare that you want to use other users tags.